GUS Daily Digest Sat, 8 Apr 95 9:37 PST Volume 21: Issue 8 Today's Topics: board version C64 with native GUS support? Where? GUS Daily Digest V21 #7 Memory upgrades MOD tracker w/3.57 MAX????? not enough memory problems.. old rev 2.x boards roland D10 keyboard programs.. help! The future of GUS drivers? Ultimate crash UNSUBSCRIBE US-MAX? vfw1.1d Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Apr 95 23:25:06 METDST From: Broderdue Subject: board version I noticed yesterday that a fellow got a warning message when starting p-mode megaem. I think my card is like 2.7 or 2.8, but I don't see no message. Does that mean my card works better ? I thought only the MAX and ACE had codec-chip which made emulation easier.... shrug. -- \//// |. .| ( - ) Broderdue ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 18:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: George Subject: C64 with native GUS support? Where? >swap file. Sheesh... I have a c64 emulator with native gus support that >runs *much* smoother, and who know how many 10s of time more powerful a >c64 is than a 2600.. Argh, the "power" of windows at work, I suppose. >Plus, you can get all the c64 games you want very easily. Where can I get my hands on the c64 emulator with native GUS support as well as the c64 games...? Thanks, -George ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:17:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Doctor Demento Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V21 #7 On Fri, 7 Apr -1, GUS Server wrote: > I'm actually very dissapointed with the action pack. You'd think a > 486-33 which must be who knows how many 100s of time more powerful than a > 2600 could at least run the software at full speed, and very easily too. > But no... Believe it or not this thing requires about 5 megs of disk > space (2600 games are only about 4k each!), and wants a 10 meg permanent > swap file. Sheesh... I have a c64 emulator with native gus support that > runs *much* smoother, and who know how many 10s of time more powerful a c64 > is than a 2600.. Argh, the "power" of windows at work, I suppose. Plus, > you can get all the c64 games you want very easily. > > Tommy. Now, don't be too hard on Windows. The Atari 2600 doesn't use a standard 6502, and does use additional chips that were hard to program initially, much less in an emulator. Check out the emulation discussions on the topic in alt.atari.2600 (I think is the name of the group...I am an infrequent reader). I learned 6502, 6800, and even 8088 assembly pretty easily, and the code for the auxiliary graphics chip in the 2600 confuses the hell out of me. Still, the overhead required by ACTION PACK _does_ seem rather large. Kevin Kevin Barth http://www.wam.umd.edu/~barth/ barth@wam.umd.edu ************* GSS/MU d H- s++:++>+:+ g-(?) p? !au a- w+++ v+(-) The Geek Code C++ UU+ P- L- 3- E---- N+++ K+ W@(W--) M-- V-- Version 2.1 -po+ Y+ t+@ 5 j R G tv b+(++) D- B- ************* e+++ u(*) h! f- r- n-- y+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:22:16 +0100 From: ct91@cityscape.co.uk (Damian Scully) Subject: Re: Memory upgrades Hi everyone, Since there has been a question about upgrading the RAM on the GUS, then I thought I would ask something similar. I too only have 256k and would like to upgrade to 1mb. Does anyone know the cheapest place I can get them from(UK)? The cheapest upgrade I've seen is =A340, but I'm sure there is somewhere cheaper. Thanks, Damian. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Loren Kling (that's me) Subject: MOD tracker w/3.57 MAX????? What is the name of the MOD tracker program that came with the 3.57 GUS Max disks? I have some samples but now I can't remember where the darn program is. -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Loren Kling | * lkling@ucssun1.sdsu.edu * | SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 19:39:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Shaun Stuart Subject: not enough memory problems.. On Fri, 7 Apr -1, GUS Server wrote: > I thought I just read a message in digest V21 #6 that said something > about the next GUS. Last time I wrote to Gravis (giving my humble opinion > on ways to improve the GUS) they wrote back telling me I didn't know > how to use the card or know what I was talking about. (I told them > 1mb wasn't enough... I think THEY don't know what they are talking about.) I just got a GUSMax (512K) and it seems like a lot of the MIDI files I play give me a "This file may not play correctly with the default MIDI setup" warning in Windows. I e-mailed Gravis and they told me "Everyone gets this error. Just disable it." Gee.. What a great way to solve the problem - ignore it! And if eveyone gets this error, then why don't they increase the amount of RAM the card ships with?? === Shaun Stuart shaun@acca.nmsu.edu, among others === === If a man could pass through Paradise in a dream, and have a flower === === presented to him as a pledge that his soul had really been there, === === and if he found that flower in his hands when he awoke - === === Aye, and what then? - S. T. Coleridge === ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 12:22:55 -1000 From: ndanylcz@Socrates.health.gov.sk.ca (Neil Danylczuk) Subject: old rev 2.x boards I've just been reading some old digest, and I noticed something interesting... A number of people are writing and saying new SBOS & mega-em do not work on their pre-2.7 rev GUS boards. Funny thing is I recognize a lot of the names of those people. Many of these people are the ones who have made regular contributions to this mailing list and ftp site. I see a lot of names of people who persistently write messages here, helping new users of GUS boards, answering questions, promoting the card. And these are people that have been doing so for the last two years. It's been said that GUS board users are fanatical and 'cult-like' in their promotion and support of the card. I prefer Matt Arbeid's (previous Grav employee, now with ATI) description: technical evangelists. These technical evangelists are the ones that have unified and strengthened the GUS user community. These are the people that have been indirectly supporting the GUS board and Gravis over the long haul. Seems a shame they are the ones being let down now... If anyone from Gravis still reads this, I'd be interested in your reply. ---------\ Neil D /--------- Neil Danylczuk PCS (Professional Computer Services) Phone: (306) 787-1080 Regina, SK, Canada ---------/ndanylcz@socrates.health.gov.sk.ca\--------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Loren Kling (that's me) Subject: roland D10 keyboard programs.. help! I have d'loaded three or four programs for my D10 keyboard. They are supposed to be file/patch managers but I haven't had luck with ANY of them. With Livewire audio's d10 "tones" sampler, they give you two programs to send patches to the d10 with -- MIDIEX and QS. Both need an MPU401 interface but even with the Beta Megaem, I can't get the patches to transfer. With the Windows Midi Watcher, I am totally confused on how it works (just in case someone mentiones the program. I will try to contact the programmer). With Midimenu for DOS, I can use megaem and get the program to recognize the MPU interface (I think), but it won't access my keyboard's patch dump). So, are there other programs? Are there limitations to the Megaem MPU-401 interface emulation? Am I lost? thanks. -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Loren Kling | * lkling@ucssun1.sdsu.edu * | SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 95 11:47 -0700 From: Thomas Wong Subject: Re: The future of GUS drivers? Thaddaeus Kong writes: >Subject: The future of GUS drivers? > > Will someone in the know tell us whether all future versions of >the drivers for GUS will require boards with rev 3.xx and above? Seems >to be the case and even worst, probably even requires the codec on the >MAX. Nope. Where did you get that idea? If you were thinking of this because the latest SBOS requires a GUS MAX, this is because this version of SBOS is only a testing version of their next generation of software (like SBOS, setup....etc). When the release version comes out, it will support all boards. Or so I've read. > Also, what can we expect from the OS/2 drivers (I could have sworn >someone said the drivers were "coming soon".... two years ago.) Well, if you can't wait, you should do what I and a lot of others are doing. Use the Manley GUS OS/2 driver. Register for a mere $25 and you'll be able to use your GUS in OS/2, DOS and Windows. Robert has done a neat thing in putting together a driver so that you can set your DOS and Windows up for a Roland card, then the driver will do the conversion to the GUS in the background and away you go. Sound in OS/2, DOS and Windows while under OS/2. > I want to know so that I can decide the future of my card >(the ORIGINAL GUS rev 2.2). Keep it. If OS/2 is you only hangup then get the Manley driver and away you go. You'd especially want to keep it if AMD does come through with the GUS chip hence GUS should then become an industry standard hence you may want to switch back later on if you get out now. Thomas. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 17:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Emory Menefee Subject: Ultimate crash Using GUS MAX with install version 3.58 on disks, my initial installation went ok. Now, much later, when I reinstall, all goes well until I get to the question about installing for Windows -- after that things crash, and I discover that disk #1 has been completely ERASED. Luckily, I have backups, so I can do it over and over again, like an idiot. Any suggestions? At last resort I will have to reinstall Windows, I guess. Is it possible that something in this problem relates to my inability to get any sound effects from Doom or Wolfenstein (e.g., gunshots)? I've been through all the settings. Thanks, Emory Menefee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 23:32:56 +0200 (DST) From: p6ip053@cicrp.jussieu.fr (Maha ABDALLAH) Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 20:38:00 +0100 From: nuno.neves@skyship.alce.pt (NUNO NEVES) Subject: US-MAX? Ok, I finally found Gravis cards around here. But the Max costs 2x the normal UltraSound price. I'd like to know if there are any differences that justify that, besides the 44/16 recording/multicd. Are there any differences in playback quality? Just because one of my friend saw some games with GUS and GUS MAX options. Also, the same question about the new ACE, any difs in playback quality? Thanks!!! -Nuno, PORTUGAL- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 08:08:58 -0400 (EDT) From: hcpiv@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca Subject: Re: vfw1.1d While I don't know where VFW11D.ZIP or .EXE exists (not on microsoft.com as that name anyways) you can get vfw1.1d and new versions of the Indeo software which further improves the video playback (better buffering, lower memory requirements, etc. according to the Intel docs) in the file iv32rt.exe on ftp.intel.com in /pub/IAL/multimedia. vfw1.1a even improved things greatly for me. With both 1.1a and 1.1d I can now playback even with GUS buffers of 8192 and the sound and video is fine. It is rumored that 1.1e is now available but I can't find it anywhere. Harry <:-{} hpulley@uoguelph.ca | This message released to the PUBLIC DOMAIN \ Harry C. 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